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		<title>By: Neville Morley</title>
		<link>http://loveofhistory.com/burn-history-books/#comment-30</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would say that there are three main reasons. Firstly, as a means of teaching skills of critical reading and analysis. Secondly, as a means of understanding the way the world works - history draws together politics, economics, sociology etc. and studies their development and interaction over time, rather than solely in the abstract and timeless world of theory. Thirdly, as a means of understanding how people work - we are historical animals, we develop a sense of identity from the past and so it shapes our decisions and actions (yes, this is basically Nietzsche&#039;s analysis in &#039;The Uses and Disadvantages of History for Life&#039;).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say that there are three main reasons. Firstly, as a means of teaching skills of critical reading and analysis. Secondly, as a means of understanding the way the world works &#8211; history draws together politics, economics, sociology etc. and studies their development and interaction over time, rather than solely in the abstract and timeless world of theory. Thirdly, as a means of understanding how people work &#8211; we are historical animals, we develop a sense of identity from the past and so it shapes our decisions and actions (yes, this is basically Nietzsche&#8217;s analysis in &#8216;The Uses and Disadvantages of History for Life&#8217;).</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Baron</title>
		<link>http://loveofhistory.com/burn-history-books/#comment-29</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ideal remedy is better teachers. In history, this means teachers who know the subject, who have engaged in historical controversies and who have the confidence to put several points of view before their students and to encourage debate. But of course, there are not enough people like that who wish to teach. I also wonder whether we should do more to encourage students to value argument, and those in authority to put up with it. Having said that, I have never found a taste for argument lacking in the students to whom I teach philosophy.

One indirect approach would be to spend some time on the history of a country to which most students did not have much emotional attachment. Students could learn the value of the critical use of sources and of historians&#039; interpretations in that context. Then they could come back to the study of their own country&#039;s history and apply their new-found skills.

The idea that there should be any state-prescribed list of history textbooks horrifies me. But I have lived all my life in England, a country that has not been at civil war for 350 years nor invaded and conquered for nearly 1,000 years. Such advantages make it much less likely here than in some other countries that the content of history lessons will inflame passions. And any guilt about the British Empire that might be inculcated is synthetic and weak, so hardly worth opposing with demonstrations on the streets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ideal remedy is better teachers. In history, this means teachers who know the subject, who have engaged in historical controversies and who have the confidence to put several points of view before their students and to encourage debate. But of course, there are not enough people like that who wish to teach. I also wonder whether we should do more to encourage students to value argument, and those in authority to put up with it. Having said that, I have never found a taste for argument lacking in the students to whom I teach philosophy.</p>
<p>One indirect approach would be to spend some time on the history of a country to which most students did not have much emotional attachment. Students could learn the value of the critical use of sources and of historians&#8217; interpretations in that context. Then they could come back to the study of their own country&#8217;s history and apply their new-found skills.</p>
<p>The idea that there should be any state-prescribed list of history textbooks horrifies me. But I have lived all my life in England, a country that has not been at civil war for 350 years nor invaded and conquered for nearly 1,000 years. Such advantages make it much less likely here than in some other countries that the content of history lessons will inflame passions. And any guilt about the British Empire that might be inculcated is synthetic and weak, so hardly worth opposing with demonstrations on the streets.</p>
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		<title>By: constantinakatsari</title>
		<link>http://loveofhistory.com/burn-history-books/#comment-28</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Neville,
I am intrigued. So, I am not going to let you get away with it. Why do you think history should be taught?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Neville,<br />
I am intrigued. So, I am not going to let you get away with it. Why do you think history should be taught?</p>
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		<title>By: Kostas</title>
		<link>http://loveofhistory.com/burn-history-books/#comment-27</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with guidance and training. I also agree with &#039;suggested readings&#039;. I disagree with banned or forbidden readings/sources/websites, if it would come to that. And I am yet to meet someone whose judgement is not formed also by political/societal/religious/whatever else beliefs!  :-)  

For me, the key thing is acknowledging where one comes from; equally acknowledging the context of a reading/source/website. 

(I&#039;d like to think that the majority of teachers are not driven by fanaticism...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with guidance and training. I also agree with &#8216;suggested readings&#8217;. I disagree with banned or forbidden readings/sources/websites, if it would come to that. And I am yet to meet someone whose judgement is not formed also by political/societal/religious/whatever else beliefs!  <img src="http://loveofhistory.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/simple-smile.png" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />  </p>
<p>For me, the key thing is acknowledging where one comes from; equally acknowledging the context of a reading/source/website. </p>
<p>(I&#8217;d like to think that the majority of teachers are not driven by fanaticism&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Neville Morley</title>
		<link>http://loveofhistory.com/burn-history-books/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neville Morley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We don&#039;t have the same problem in the UK with the church claiming authority over historical truth, but there are similar tensions over the way history is taught in schools. Its place in the curriculum is frequently justified by referring to the importance of historical knowledge in teaching children about their national identity, duties as a citizen etc. - but most of that is more like &#039;myth&#039; than &#039;history&#039;, and true historical study would spend much more time examining and demolishing the sorts of &#039;history&#039; that are used to legitimise dubious political decisions, attitudes towards immigrants and so forth. Of course that sort of thing is then accused of &#039;politicising&#039; the past, as if the officially-sanctioned approach is objective and value-netural. Before we can decide what history should be taught and how it should be taught, there needs to be more of an agreement about *why* it&#039;s important to teach history, rather than the current fudge whereby historians pay lip service to the claim that it&#039;s socially beneficial whereas they really believe in the importance of teaching critical historical skills.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t have the same problem in the UK with the church claiming authority over historical truth, but there are similar tensions over the way history is taught in schools. Its place in the curriculum is frequently justified by referring to the importance of historical knowledge in teaching children about their national identity, duties as a citizen etc. &#8211; but most of that is more like &#8216;myth&#8217; than &#8216;history&#8217;, and true historical study would spend much more time examining and demolishing the sorts of &#8216;history&#8217; that are used to legitimise dubious political decisions, attitudes towards immigrants and so forth. Of course that sort of thing is then accused of &#8216;politicising&#8217; the past, as if the officially-sanctioned approach is objective and value-netural. Before we can decide what history should be taught and how it should be taught, there needs to be more of an agreement about *why* it&#8217;s important to teach history, rather than the current fudge whereby historians pay lip service to the claim that it&#8217;s socially beneficial whereas they really believe in the importance of teaching critical historical skills.</p>
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		<title>By: constantinakatsari</title>
		<link>http://loveofhistory.com/burn-history-books/#comment-25</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reason I suggested a centralised committee is the complete inability of some of the teachers to… teach. I remember I was a pupil in a Classical High School (an institution that no longer exist). Our history teacher was, in fact, a laureate of German Literature. Suffice to say that I had acquired more historical knowledge than her by the age of 15. These people need guidance. We cannot rely on them to pick sources and books. They would not know where to start from. Also, there is a possibility that some of the teachers hold strong political beliefs that may affect their judgment. I am not saying that a historian should live in a political void. Only that fanaticism should be restricted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason I suggested a centralised committee is the complete inability of some of the teachers to… teach. I remember I was a pupil in a Classical High School (an institution that no longer exist). Our history teacher was, in fact, a laureate of German Literature. Suffice to say that I had acquired more historical knowledge than her by the age of 15. These people need guidance. We cannot rely on them to pick sources and books. They would not know where to start from. Also, there is a possibility that some of the teachers hold strong political beliefs that may affect their judgment. I am not saying that a historian should live in a political void. Only that fanaticism should be restricted.</p>
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		<title>By: Kostas</title>
		<link>http://loveofhistory.com/burn-history-books/#comment-24</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should add that although the Web has  challenged the authority of the school/teacher, yet it has highlighted the need for authority! It is not the need for authority that has been challenged (I&#039;d say it has increased), but the process of creating that authority and who is involved in the process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add that although the Web has  challenged the authority of the school/teacher, yet it has highlighted the need for authority! It is not the need for authority that has been challenged (I&#8217;d say it has increased), but the process of creating that authority and who is involved in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Kostas</title>
		<link>http://loveofhistory.com/burn-history-books/#comment-23</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is high time indeed! And I agree, the &#039;power of the Internet&#039; will bring changes in the learning and teaching process. For an additional reason: The masses of information on the Web has provided numerous routes and sources to knowledge and has challenged the authority of the school/teacher. 

I am not sure though about the &#039;approval of the sources&#039; by an academic committee. Do you mean approving what Web content to use at school? Or have I misinterpreted you? Given the dynamic and ever growing nature of the Web, that would be an almost impossible task and, from my point of view, an undesirable one, because it would replicate the weaknesses of the existing centralised process of the country&#039;s &#039;national education&#039; (as it was called till recently). 

Instead, I&#039;d be for giving teachers the freedom and flexibility to use web content and developing pupils/students&#039; skills of critically evaluating it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is high time indeed! And I agree, the &#8216;power of the Internet&#8217; will bring changes in the learning and teaching process. For an additional reason: The masses of information on the Web has provided numerous routes and sources to knowledge and has challenged the authority of the school/teacher. </p>
<p>I am not sure though about the &#8216;approval of the sources&#8217; by an academic committee. Do you mean approving what Web content to use at school? Or have I misinterpreted you? Given the dynamic and ever growing nature of the Web, that would be an almost impossible task and, from my point of view, an undesirable one, because it would replicate the weaknesses of the existing centralised process of the country&#8217;s &#8216;national education&#8217; (as it was called till recently). </p>
<p>Instead, I&#8217;d be for giving teachers the freedom and flexibility to use web content and developing pupils/students&#8217; skills of critically evaluating it.</p>
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		<title>By: constantinakatsari</title>
		<link>http://loveofhistory.com/burn-history-books/#comment-22</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paramythiazomaste, indeed. Is it not time, though, to start changing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paramythiazomaste, indeed. Is it not time, though, to start changing?</p>
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		<title>By: Kostas</title>
		<link>http://loveofhistory.com/burn-history-books/#comment-21</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very good post Constantina. But you shouldn&#039;t be surprised...remember last year&#039;s summer holiday motto...&#039;Live your myth in Greece&#039;. Greeks love myths more than history...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good post Constantina. But you shouldn&#8217;t be surprised&#8230;remember last year&#8217;s summer holiday motto&#8230;&#8217;Live your myth in Greece&#8217;. Greeks love myths more than history&#8230;</p>
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